Talk:Nazi concentration camps

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IP user questions

Why is there absolutely no mention of when camps were discovered? This is important in understanding that it was not cruelty but simple ignorance, from other nations and from many German citizens, that allowed this horror to continue for so long. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.73.175.85 (talk) 16:28, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

have been seeking this answer as well. 1 - when did the allies suspect existence of such camps and 2 - when did they know, with proof. 70.31.166.89 (talk) 22:27, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

There wasn't "simple ignorance" but World War 2 made it more complicated. 10 November 1938 was Kristallnacht during which hundreds of Jews were murdered throughout Germany and 30,000 Jewish men were sent to concentration camps. Also, Nazi Germany notified neutral nations during WW2 to re-patriate their Jewish citizens who were in Germany, e.g. Turkey. (See Baer, Marc D. (2020). Sultanic Saviors and Tolerant Turks: Writing Ottoman Jewish History, Denying the Armenian Genocide. Indiana University Press. ISBN 978-0-253-04542-3, pp. 202.) Turkey didn't do so, apparently. I don't know when that was. I don't know when German citizens (who were not in the SS) knew about the extermination camps, or if that question is answerable.--FeralOink (talk) 11:41, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

Despite my cranky tone, IP user the second, you make a good point in wondering about when the Allies knew. I read a scholarly journal article about Jewish life (such as it was) for the first two years in post-World War 2 Germany under Allied occupation; it mentioned when the U.S. government became aware, I recall. I'll try to find the citation and if possible, include it in the Wikipedia article here.--FeralOink (talk) 11:41, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

KZ were never secret. As stated in this article, they were advertised in Nazi propaganda from 1933 onwards. Of course the Allies were aware of them throughout. (Mass extermination in the death camps was another story, but that is not the subject of this article). (t · c) buidhe 14:00, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

Clarification of Holocaust resposible countries

In article it stays that concentration camps where located in Estonia, Poland etc. Should emphasized that territories of this countries belonged that time to Germans. Each time when it appears in article it must be emphasized that it was German territory. Otherwise it indicates that other countries than Germany took a part in Holocaust which is not true. 5.173.70.62 (talk) 07:21, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Numbers of victims

The article seems to state that the total number of victims was "about a milion", which is in contradiction with many well-established facts. At least 1.1 milion people were killed in Auschwitz only, so the total number of victims must be significantly higher. If the reason for this mismatch is classification of the camps (concentration vs. extermination camps), it should be clearly explained, that the figure "about a milion" includes only a fraction of victims. Otherwise, the article is greatly misleading.

IMHO, using the original Nazi classification of various types of prisoner camps is controversial at least. It might be an interesting detail for some, but the public uses the term "Nazi concentration camp" as an umbrella term for all camps where Nazi crimes were carried out. And it certainly includes Auschwitz II, Treblinka and other extermination camps. For example, in Bergen-Belsen, 70,000+ prisoners died out of 120,000 who were held there. If this is not extermination, then what is?

As a quick fix, I suggest just to clearly state, that the figure "about a milion" does not include many more victims of the Nazi extermination camps. PetrPy (talk) 08:26, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

You've stumbled on terminology issues where historians refer to a specific SS-run system of Camps as "Nazi concentration camps" and another as "extermination /death camps", despite the fact that other nazi run camps otherwise meet the general understanding of concentration camp and extermination (crime) and death occurred in the ss-wvha run camps. However we cannot set aside the classification employed by the cited sources. I think the article already clarifies that the death toll is only registered prisoners and does not include those who were killed without being registered, at Auschwitz or elsewhere. (t · c) buidhe 20:52, 5 September 2024 (UTC)